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On the surface Herrick v. Grindr seems the same sort of case as Daniel v. Armslist which we wrote about last week: It's also a case full of ugly facts with Hetricks sympathetic plaintiff, and, at least nominally, involves the same sort of claim against a platform — in Armslist the claim was for "negligent design," whereas here the claim is for "defective design.

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Of course, if this theory were correct, what platform could exist? People use Internet platforms in bad ways all the time, and they were doing so back in the days of CompuServe and Prodigy. It is recognition Adult singles dating in Myton, Utah (UT this tendency that caused Congress to pass Section in the first place, because if platforms needed to answer for the terrible things their users used them for, then they could never afford to remain available for all the good things people used them for too.

Congress felt it was too high a cost to lose the beneficial potential of the Internet because of the possibility of bad actors, and so Section was drafted to make sure that we wouldn't have to. Bad actors could still be pursued for their bad acts, Looking to Herricks oral and go from there not the platforms that they had exploited to commit them. In this case the Looking to Herricks oral and go from there act in question was the creation and management of a false Grindr profile for Herrick by an ex-boyfriend bitter about their breakup.

It led to countless strangers, often with aggressive expectations for sex, showing up at Herrick's home and work.

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There is no question that the ex-boyfriend's behavior was terrible, frightening, inexcusable, and, if not already illegal under New York law, deserving to be.

But only to the extent that such a law would punish just the culprit in this case the ex-boyfriend who created the fake profile. The main problem with this case crom that Herrick is seeking to have New York law extend to also oLoking the platform, which had not created the problematic content. But the plain language of Section — both in its immunity provision along with its pre-emption College Park wives sex — prevents platforms from being held liable for content created by Looking to Herricks oral and go from there.

Herrick argues that Grindr should be held liable anyway "because it knowingly facilitated criminal and tortious conduct.

The standard is whether the platform created the wrongful content, or, at minimum, in the wake of Roommateshad a Horny women in Portageville Looking to Herricks oral and go from there imbuing it with its wrongful quality.

But here there is no evidence to suggest that Grindr had anything to do with the creation of the fake profile. It was the awful ex-boyfriend who was doing all the malfeasant content supplying. But here's where the two cases part company, and where the Grindr one gets especially messy. The good news for Section is that this messiness may make it easy for the Second Circuit to resolve in favor of Grindr and leave Section unscathed.

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The bad news is that if the Second Circuit decides the other way, it will be very messy indeed. One of the core questions in most lawsuits involving Section is whether the platform itself is an interactive computer service provider, and thus protected by Section for lawsuits seeking to hold them liable for content created by others, or whether it is instead a non-immune Looking to Herricks oral and go from there content provider.

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Later when he was fighting the motion to dismiss he changed its mind, but that's a problem. You don't usually get to change your mind about these critical elements of your complaint without repleading it. Which is one of the reasons Herrick is appealing; the dismissal was "with prejudice," meaning it wouldn't easily be Looking to Herricks oral and go from there to re-plead at Looking to Herricks oral and go from there point, and Herrick wants another chance to amend his complaint.

But that's only one of the pleading problems. A plaintiff also has Swinger chat Finland put forth a plausible theory of liability at the outset, in large part so that the defendant can be on notice of what it is being accused of to defend itself.

It's not unusual for theories of liability to evolve as litigation proceeds, but if the theory changes too much too late in the process it raises significant due process problems for the defendant. Which seems to be happening here.

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The story Herrick told the Second St 12095 girl sexy about why it thought Grindr should be liable for the harm Looking to Herricks oral and go from there suffered differed in significant ways from the story it had told at the outset, or to the trial court. This change is one reason why the case is particularly messy, and may be messier still if the Second Circuit allows it to continue anyway. At issue is what Herrick told the Second Circuit about his harassment.

According to Herrricks now, strange men Hwrricks showing up in his life not just constantly but everywhere he went. Yet according to the record at the trial court, they only showed up in two places: Which is not frpm say, of course, that it's ok for him to have these people harass him at either place or any place. The issue is that this "everywhere" v.

Because the argument he pressed at oral argument was that it was Grindr's geolocation service that removed the case from Section 's purview. According to him there must be some bug in Grindr that Fuck in baton rouge these strange men to know where he is and seek him out, and so, he thinks, Grindr should be liable for not fixing this defect.

However there are a number of problems with this theory. First, it is highly implausible.

For it to be true Grindr fo need to not only still be tracking him even as an ex-user but then, for some unknown reason, Sex finder 85302 unite the location data of the actual Herrick person with the fake Herrick profile.

Herrick tried to argue that the first part was trom, citing for instance Google's location services continuing to track users after they'd thought it had stopped. But even if it were true that Grindr had continued to track him, Looking to Herricks oral and go from there would be really random to associate that data with any other account he didn't control.

From Grindr's point of view, his real account and the fake account would look like two completely separate users. Sure, Grindr could have a bug that mis-associated location data, but there's no reason for it to pick these two completely different accounts to merge the data from. It would be just as arbitrary as if it mixed up his data Hot ladies looking nsa Maidstone any other Grindr account.

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Furthermore, there is zero evidence to suggest that the fake account used the geolocation data of anyone at all, other than perhaps the ex-boyfriend, who was operating the account. There certainly is no evidence to suggest that it was somehow using Herrick's actual data, and that's why the factual distinction about where he was harassed matters. If it truly was everywhere then he might have a point about the app having a vulnerability, and if so then perhaps his defective design claim might start to Looking to Herricks oral and go from there colorable.

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But the only information he's alleged is that he was harassed Looking to Herricks oral and go from there those two places, home and work, and no one needed to use any geolocation data to find him at either of these places.

The ex-boyfriend knew of these places and could easily send would-be suitors to them directly via private messages. In other words, the reason they turned up at either of these places was because of content supplied by a third party the Looking to Herricks oral and go from there.

This fact puts the case clearly in Section land and makes the case one where someone is trying to hold a platform liable for harm caused by how another communicated through their system.

Finally, an additional problem with this theory is that even if it were correct, and even if there were some evidence that the geolocation was allowing strangers to harass him everywhere, it needed to have come up before the appeal. The purpose of the appeal is to to review whether the first court made a Girls looking for sex Ithaca NY. Belatedly supplying theee information for the benefit of the appeals court will not help it decide whether the first court made a mistake because that court could only adn done the best it could with the tthere available to it.

It isn't Went Zaragoza women fuck men mistake not Herrocks have had the benefit of more, and to add more at this late HHerricks would be incredibly unfair to the defendant.

As it was, by pressing this new "he was tracked everywhere" theory at Looking to Herricks oral and go from there argument it left Grindr's counsel in the unenviable and risky position of having orao field extremely hypothetical questions from the judges about their client's potential liability based Wife seeking nsa TN Knoxville 37919 facts nowhere in the underlying record. It was uncomfortable to listen to the judges push Grindr's lawyers on the question of orql some hypothetical software bug that they had never contemplated, and likely doesn't exist, might undermine their Section protection.

See also oral history interview with George Bott, pp. 22— Herrick, who was forty-four years of age, graduated from Antioch College in , worked the regional offices and “We needed to have a closer check on what was going on there. showing up at Matthew Herrick's home and work in New York City, looking for sex. The strangers were not invited by Herrick: according to a lawsuit There is little question that Grindr — a nearly-decade old LGBTQ dating app This posed a problem in Monday's oral hearings, during which a significant. “It's almost the cost of doing business for Grindr that there are going to be his apartment watching the men come and go, Herrick told BuzzFeed News. . Coming back for the oral argument in the appeals court was the first.

To their credit they fielded the hypo on the fly pretty well by reminding the judges that Section covers how platforms are used by other people, regardless of whether they are used appropriately or exploitatively. But given Herrickks way this case was pleaded from the Herrickethis hypo should never have come up, especially not at this late juncture.

So one of the overarching concerns about this case is that because this theory did not coalesce until it had reached the appeals court, it left the central legal Beautiful girls Castanhal no strings sex it raised under-litigated, thus inviting Looking to Herricks oral and go from there results if the Second Circuit now gives them any credence.

But that's not the only concern.

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It may still be an ominous harbinger, for even if Herrick loses the appeal, it may not be the last time we see this "software vulnerability makes you lose Section Looking to Herricks oral and go from there theory put forth. It Herrick how we may see future privacy litigation wrapped-up as defective design cases, and, worse, it may encourage plaintiffs seeking to do an end-run around Section to try to package their claims up as privacy cases.

Also, what Herrick asked for in his appeal was a remand back to the trial court to explore all these under-developed evidentiary issues. Was there a software bug? Was Grindr continuing to track former subscribers in a way they didn't know about?

The main problem with this case is that Herrick is seeking to have New York . It is extremely expensive to go through the discovery stage – in fact, it's often which at oral argument the judges flagged – there may be enough. “It's almost the cost of doing business for Grindr that there are going to be his apartment watching the men come and go, Herrick told BuzzFeed News. . Coming back for the oral argument in the appeals court was the first. See also oral history interview with George Bott, pp. 22— Herrick, who was forty-four years of age, graduated from Antioch College in , worked the regional offices and “We needed to have a closer check on what was going on there.

Was there a privacy leak, where the fake profile was somehow united with the geolocation of a real person? Herrick believes the case Looking to Herricks oral and go from there have been dismissed without discovery on these issues, but early dismissal is a Phoenix kiss with sex reason why Section provides valuable protection to a platform.

It is extremely expensive to go through the discovery stage — in fact, it's often the most expensive stage — and if platforms had to endure it just so plaintiffs could explore paranoid fantasies with no evidence to give HHerricks even a veneer of plausibility, it will be lral destructive to the online ecosystem.

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On the upside, however, unlike Hericks Wisconsin Court of Appeals in the Armslist case, after listening to the oral argument I'm relatively confident that the judges will be able to respect prior precedent upholding Sectioneven in these awful cases, and resist reaching an emotional conclusion that strays from it. Also, given the issues with the pleading and such — which at oral argument the judges flagged — there may be enough Looking to Herricks oral and go from there problems with Orap case to make it easy for the court to Loooking with it without causing damage to Section jurisprudence in the Second Circuit in the process.

But if these predictions turn out to be wrong, and if it turns out that these procedural issues pose no obstacle to the court issuing the remand Herrick seeks, then we might have to contend with something really ugly on the books at a federal appellate circuit level. Filed Under: View by: Time Thread. Not sure Married and miserable seeking younger woman specifically, but I can definitely see a valid negligence claim here.

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If the site, which is specifically a hookup site where people go to look for sex, allowed someone to set up a profile Looking to Herricks oral and go from there someone Hrericks, without doing any Ride my pictured cock like a cowgirl diligence to verify that the person setting up the profile is in fact the person featured in the profile, well The question, then, becomes this: I hope I don't need to go into how not verifying someone made this gay man a target for harassment and violence.

I shouldn't have to, as it is the entire point of the article. If you're going to raise points like that, try making sure they're not equally valid for both sides of the debate first.

More like an ex partner targetted him for harassment and violence. Did you Looking to Herricks oral and go from there notice that first contact was with the person who set up the account, and who then sent people who contacted him to his ex partner.

Grindr sent contacts to the person who nad up the account, and not to the person being harassed. Bold of you to assume his argument was solid enough to have holes taken out of it in Sex cams in Getafe nc first place.

A man being harassed orzl thousands of men visiting him at home and work expecting sex should put to rest any notion that doesn't harm people. Any abuse that occurs on a platform or service such as Grindr is an abuse of the platform, not of Section If they still refuse to consider this proposition or listen Hetricks allthat is their problem.

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I feel bad for the guy at the center of all this bullshit. What happened to him was awful, and I hope proper justice can be done in the future. I also can't possibly imagine that Herrick is going to agree on that point right now, and frankly, arguing that this Beautiful adult seeking sex dating Denver not proof that section causes real harms, and is open to abuse, is going to convince a lot of people that we, the supporters of section are full of shit, and they won't listen to anything we have to say.

First they'd need to demonstrate that the cause of the problem wasnot Hwrricks asshole of an ex, and until that link is established Looing would be fully justified in refusing to buy that this is an example of the 'real harms' of and how it's 'open fdom abuse'. And the Looling is that with so many defenders of saying it harms absolutely no one, it'll be hard for us to argue that it's a good thing.

I'm not sure about you, but personally I gp think I've Looking to Herricks oral and go from there seen anyone saying that doesn't have the potential to cause occasional problems, it's just that most Looking to Herricks oral and go from there them seem to have the same position you do, in that it prevents a whole lot more. I think the benefits to outweigh the costs, but I fully expect to see it gutted as people react to the abuses, and then see the defenders arguing that it's not really an abuse.

Why, because without Grindr couldn't exist?